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Friday, November 23, 2018

A visit - Rev. Teal and Elder Holland...

Texted text from  https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900043476/at-oxford-elder-holland-lays-out-latter-day-saint-theology-before-religious-scholars-students.html is re-ordered by me to make a better story in my view; the story of explaining with respect and listening with respect.  No statement or fact is added or changed.

At Oxford, Elder Holland lays out Latter-day Saint theology before religious scholars, students


They stood between old stone walls on creaking wooden floors before a full room of 50 theology faculty and students, the public and local Latter-day Saints. 
The room once housed the first library at Oxford (England), the oldest university in the English-speaking world. 

The beginnings of University Church date back more than 1,000 years.  Methodist founder John Wesley preached here.  Three Protestant leaders were burned at the stake here after a "theological conversation" at the 1,000-year-old University Church of St. Mary the Virgin in 1555.

On this November day in 2018, Rev. Dr. Andrew Teal, chaplain and lecturer at Pembroke College and Elder Jeffrey R. Holland of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints had a 90-minute conversation which ended with the two having a warm embrace.

Rev. Teal said: "We are both determined to be aware that our history should not collapse into categories in which we label each other as distant."

Elder Holland agreed: "We've let some differences, significant differences, get in the way of a larger, warmer, wonderful conversation."

He praised Rev. Teal, who told the Deseret News that he has watched many of his new friend's talks online, for his preparation, saying he already knew more about Latter-day Saint theology than many of the faith's members.

I find him a wholesome, faithful and inspiring man," Rev. Teal told the Deseret News, "indeed, 'great' but lacking all pomposity of grandeur." 

"We need each other’s eyes to see ourselves," he said.

"Might it be possible to listen carefully, attentively and respectfully, to ask questions with integrity and intellectual honesty of one another, without defensiveness or tribalism?"

Thursday, November 22, 2018

My hot air about genocides and our point of view

Interesting. I....I just have to say that is ideal. That the everyone is susceptible to the spirit and guidance by it, and therefore instead of being controlled by law, their good hearts are guided in the right direction. Unfortunately, the adversary is always hard at work, and what percentage is guided by the spirit, and what percentage thinks they are but really put the other things above it in a self serving way. That just brought it back to the starting point.

My reading travels tonight took me to deep dive into the Cambodian situation of the '70s. During the time, there a lot of confusing things going on, and now it is clear. I was bouncing between being on a carrier on Yankee Station at that time, and beng back in the states on a land base causing too many things to happen domestically. (Looking back, it was what it was.) With connection of later on, Vietnam got rid of Poi Pot and Khmer Rouge (think killing fields). I've known Cambodian refugees from that time. Then I come to a good article of the start of the Vietnam war. I was in a poor man's Italian restaurant one day when the Italians showed me a newspaper with the event that was excuse for Johnson releasing the brakes on warfare, and "the rest is history". My best friend has authored four books on the RVN war, but didn't capture it quite in that conclusive manner, more like a thousand data details.

On the Wikipedia sidebars are links to dozens of accounts of genocide, some of which I knew about, and also many things surrounding the "Indian Removal".and the situation of Mexico getting the Southwest, then our government pushing them our. Holy smokes, what a lotta!!!! I had known and/or learned about many things that weren't in the schoolbooks or TV documentaries. But it's been a sick, sick world.

YES: "Scripture has, I think, a clear answer for us as believers." Keywords: "for us as believers". Virtually the only and best thing we can do is make more people believers, but the problem is that many who claim to be don't really care deeply about the other folks who are children of God; they/we don't want to sacrifice in the way we learn in the temple, for the benefit of the other children. So we have all these wars, we stick our noses around, and we fuss about borders and DACA. We are nicy nice people, relatively comfortable, and want to be. Scriptures on the table. The scriptures aren't the problem. We are..

Oh how I wish for.... the Lord would like us to be.... "truly ethical society, each individual is led by their conscience and their conscience alone, not rhetoric.

Not rally bullhorns and name calling. No football field inhabited by kool aid drinkers on both ends.

This is hugely long, which I despise. My apology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge_Killing_Fields

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_removal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Genocide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union#The_Great_Patriotic_War,_1941-1945

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_genocide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_genocide

https://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-britain-us-diego-garcia-20180814-story.html

https://www.britannica.com/place/Diego-Garcia-island-Indian-Ocean

http://ifg.org/2016/05/03/diego-garcia-50-years-of-fiction-about-an-american-military-base/