Info about Ahmadiyya
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/09/10/in-pakistan-most-say-ahmadis-are-not-muslim/http://aaiil.org/text/questionsanswersislamahmadiyya/differenceahmadimuslim.shtml
http://www.whyahmadi.org/2_2_2.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8711026.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya
http://pri.org/stories/2013-06-20/ahmadi-muslims-facing-persecution-abroad-finding-home-us
http://www.ahmadibeliefs.com/
From Michael:
As most of us know, the Muslim world is divided into three groups: (1) Sunni Muslims; (2) Shia Muslims, and (3) Sufi Muslims (who may are may not also be either Sunni or Shia). The Sufi mostly hang out in Indonesia where Pres. Obama was a young Muslim. The Sufi are peace loving and tolerant of all religions -- unfortunately, Pres. Obama isn't the smartest guy so he thinks that all Muslims are peaceful and tolerant of all religions, which is false. For example, the Muslims making the movies of decapitating alive, or burning alive, or burying alive, innocent people are Sunni; the Muslims raising hell in Israel murdering innocent women and children are for the most part Shia. The Sufi detest this violence by Sunni and Shia and are victims of it themselves without any revenge killings in retaliation.
The Sunni hate the Shia and the Sufi; the Shia hate the Sunni and the Sufi. The Sufi hate no one -- they are mystics who think Mohammad and the Qur'an are unimportant to knowing Allah (which pisses off the Sunni and Shia which have a penchant for bombing Sufi Holy Sites, among others). The US is an ally of the Sunni; Russia is an ally of the Shia. This explains why the US supports Sunni rebels trying to kill Shia in Syria and elsewhere -- the US even supports ISIS and its ilk in Syria and elsewhere even though ISIS uses the weapons the US supplies it to kill US Marines, Special Forces, Shiites, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Bahai, etc..
The Shia in Iran are stated enemies of Israel -- they are always saying "death to Israel" and "death to the US". The Sunni are more circumspect about their feelings towards Israel. The Sunni in Saudi Arabia, however, are leery of the Shia in Iran and want the nuclear option that Israel offers -- since Iran is the enemy of both Saudi Arabia, Israel, and the US.
Pres. Obama, again based on his actual average intelligence despite propaganda to the contrary, is sending a message to the Sunni that the US wants to play both ends against the middle by trying to become allies with the Shia in an effort to extricate itself from the mess the US created in the Middle East in its failed effort to establish military and political hegemony in the reason based on the US model of creating governments that support homosexuality, homosexual marriage, pornography, and other liberal democracy ideals anathema to practicing Muslims whether Sunni, Shia, or Sufi. Okay . . . .
So on with some tidbits to tickle our interest in what may be happening between Israel and Saudi Arabia that the mainstream political propaganda machines in the US are hiding:
Me
The Ahmadia are in fact a part of the total picture that needs to be described.
Michael
Thanks for the heads up on this group: the Ahmadiyya sect of Islam. Now if only we could get the Sunni and Shia to adopt the moderate, tolerant Sufi and type of Islam. From a post:
One of the major differences that can be seen between the Sunni and Ahmadi is in the prophethood. Ahmedias do not believe that Mohammed is the last prophet. They believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed of Qadian is the prophet who is supposed to come. This is a great violation of Islam, which considers Muhammed as the the last prophet. On the other hand, Sunnis believe in Prophet Mohammed.
While the Sunni sect has a long history, the Ahmadia movement was founded only in 1889. The Sunnis believe that Prophet Muhammed did not appoint any successor to lead the community before his death. After Mohammed’s death, a group of his prominent followers elected Abu Bakr Siddique (prophet’s father-in-law) as the first caliph.
The Ahmadia movement was founded by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. He claimed to be the promised Mahdi awaited by the Muslims and the Messiah of Christ. The Ahmadis believe in the revival and propogation of Islam.
Sunni is a word that is derived from Sunnah, which means teachings of Prohet Mohammed. This means that Sunni is a word that refers to the followers of Prophet Mohammed. Though Ahmadia was formed in the 19th century, the name was only adopted a decade later. Ghulam Ahmad in a manifesto of 1900 said that the name was not a reference to him but refered to Ahmad, another name of Prophet Mohammed.
From Wikipedia: Ahmadi thought emphasizes the belief that Islam is the final dispensation for humanity as revealed to Muhammad and the necessity of restoring to it its true essence and pristine form, which had been lost through the centuries. Ahmadiyya adherents believe that Ahmad appeared in the likeness of Jesus, to end religious wars, condemn bloodshed and reinstitute morality, justice, and peace. They believe that upon divine guidance he divested Islam of fanatical and innovative beliefs and practices by championing what is, in their view, Islam’s true and essential teachings as practised by Muhammad and the early Islamic community. Thus, Ahmadis view themselves as leading the revival and peaceful propagation of Islam.
One of the major differences that can be seen between the Sunni and Ahmadi is in the prophethood. Ahmedias do not believe that Mohammed is the last prophet. They believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed of Qadian is the prophet who is supposed to come. This is a great violation of Islam, which considers Muhammed as the the last prophet. On the other hand, Sunnis believe in Prophet Mohammed.
While the Sunni sect has a long history, the Ahmadia movement was founded only in 1889. The Sunnis believe that Prophet Muhammed did not appoint any successor to lead the community before his death. After Mohammed’s death, a group of his prominent followers elected Abu Bakr Siddique (prophet’s father-in-law) as the first caliph.
The Ahmadia movement was founded by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. He claimed to be the promised Mahdi awaited by the Muslims and the Messiah of Christ. The Ahmadis believe in the revival and propogation of Islam.
Sunni is a word that is derived from Sunnah, which means teachings of Prohet Mohammed. This means that Sunni is a word that refers to the followers of Prophet Mohammed. Though Ahmadia was formed in the 19th century, the name was only adopted a decade later. Ghulam Ahmad in a manifesto of 1900 said that the name was not a reference to him but refered to Ahmad, another name of Prophet Mohammed.
From Wikipedia: Ahmadi thought emphasizes the belief that Islam is the final dispensation for humanity as revealed to Muhammad and the necessity of restoring to it its true essence and pristine form, which had been lost through the centuries. Ahmadiyya adherents believe that Ahmad appeared in the likeness of Jesus, to end religious wars, condemn bloodshed and reinstitute morality, justice, and peace. They believe that upon divine guidance he divested Islam of fanatical and innovative beliefs and practices by championing what is, in their view, Islam’s true and essential teachings as practised by Muhammad and the early Islamic community. Thus, Ahmadis view themselves as leading the revival and peaceful propagation of Islam.
Me
Some of your description is a bit new to me.
To start with, the reason they need to be included is there are some of them in our midst, and there is one of their mosques in Lynnwood.
Where I come from is that I have become familiar with them, we have family friends and exchanged family vidsits, even had a fireside, with them. Attended interfaith initiatives with.
Their stance, which you have not mentioned, is that the gentleman who was born about 1830 (A) preached peace, and their members genuinely talk peace, and (B) that gentleman is revered by them to be a prophet. Thus, (C), they are viewed as heretic, hated, and violently persecuted by all the rest of the Islamic factions. The rest of them think its the most horrible thing in the universe to believe there is a prophet after the big M.
Regardless of what you academically took from Wikipedia: The items I have mentioned MUST be known as part of the picture. Core parts of the picture.
They are primarily from Pakistan. When our friends were in our home, we talked about how her (his wife) 's uncle had been killed two days prior in Pakistan due to that hate and persecution I described. We talked about how our friends sect chooses one type of saying out of the Koran, and the extremists choose another type: Picking and choosing what to pay attention to, and what to ignore.
The latter never ever happens within our faith, or within the broader Christian realm, does it?
I aver that within that issue lays some of the greatest problems and challenges there are to religious society - to those who claim to be Christian.
To start with, the reason they need to be included is there are some of them in our midst, and there is one of their mosques in Lynnwood.
Where I come from is that I have become familiar with them, we have family friends and exchanged family vidsits, even had a fireside, with them. Attended interfaith initiatives with.
Their stance, which you have not mentioned, is that the gentleman who was born about 1830 (A) preached peace, and their members genuinely talk peace, and (B) that gentleman is revered by them to be a prophet. Thus, (C), they are viewed as heretic, hated, and violently persecuted by all the rest of the Islamic factions. The rest of them think its the most horrible thing in the universe to believe there is a prophet after the big M.
Regardless of what you academically took from Wikipedia: The items I have mentioned MUST be known as part of the picture. Core parts of the picture.
They are primarily from Pakistan. When our friends were in our home, we talked about how her (his wife) 's uncle had been killed two days prior in Pakistan due to that hate and persecution I described. We talked about how our friends sect chooses one type of saying out of the Koran, and the extremists choose another type: Picking and choosing what to pay attention to, and what to ignore.
The latter never ever happens within our faith, or within the broader Christian realm, does it?
I aver that within that issue lays some of the greatest problems and challenges there are to religious society - to those who claim to be Christian.
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